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so romney was right. but on medicaid, where romney said it wasn't wouldn't be a cut twould be inflation plus 1% and obama said it would be a 30% cut. there was an independent study by bloomberg. they say that romney's medicaid proposal, $1.26 trillion loss in medicaid over 10 years under the romney plan. so there were facts and some loose arguing of the facts am but an interesting debate. i am not sure a game changer, but a good night for romney, a little less so for the president. >> thank you. bret, at the beginning of the show, you were jealous of me because i was with the action and now you are with the action. >> yes. chris wallace has good analysis and he can pick good times. coming up, charles krauthammer on who came out on top. he joins us after this break. you see us, at the start of the day. on the company phone list that's a few names longer. you see us bank on busier highways. on once empty fields. everyday you see all the ways all of us at us bank are helping grow our economy. lending more so
so romney was right. but on medicaid, where romney said it wasn't wouldn't be a cut twould be inflation plus 1% and obama said it would be a 30% cut. there was an independent study by bloomberg. they say that romney's medicaid proposal, $1.26 trillion loss in medicaid over 10 years under the romney plan. so there were facts and some loose arguing of the facts am but an interesting debate. i am not sure a game changer, but a good night for romney, a little less so for the president. >>...
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what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set this up first for mike barnicle. we've all been saying the same thing. phone calls coming in last night from my democratic friends, independent friends, republicans, everybody's been asking the same thing, where did this come from? we've never seen this mitt romney before, but you say you have. >> yes, this is how mitt romney became governor of massachusetts in 2002 during a series of debates. he was exactly this way as he was last night. he came in prepared. he had a plan. he executed it. he was armed with specific information. he went right at the opponent. then it was shannon o'brien running for governor against
what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set...
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raised taxes, and his approval has fallen below 50% so this is going to depend on coat tails between romney and obama and go right to the finish line. >> and with these ads she's also hitting on this trust issue, he was on the financial services committee in congress. aen she's suggesting in her ads, also, that he is someone who got a favor from the bank in connecticut, even after he had stopped paying his mortgage so that's suggesting that people can't trust him. >> though he and the bank do deny that. >> and really she went so far for the democratic committee to invest in the race, obama is up 12, 14 points in the state, a very blue state, but made this a competitive race which no one expected. >> and a lot of people are independents. >> that's right. still ahead, the supreme court is back in town and the new term promises to bring new controversy. and next week, affirmative action, we'll preview that case and potential blockbusters next. >> well, maybe nothing can stop the drama of june's controversial health care ruling and the supreme court starting off with a bang and revisit the issu
raised taxes, and his approval has fallen below 50% so this is going to depend on coat tails between romney and obama and go right to the finish line. >> and with these ads she's also hitting on this trust issue, he was on the financial services committee in congress. aen she's suggesting in her ads, also, that he is someone who got a favor from the bank in connecticut, even after he had stopped paying his mortgage so that's suggesting that people can't trust him. >> though he and...
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, what is the difference -- romney: but i -- right, right. >> moderator: let's just stay on taxes for a moment. romney: virtually everything he said about hi many tax plan is inaccurate. if i was asked to support it, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what identify said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. that's part one. so there's no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. number two, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know you and your running mate keep saying that, but it's just not the case. look, i've got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. [laughter] that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income americans. and number three, i will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. i will lower taxes on middle income families. now, you cite a study. there's six other studies that lo
, what is the difference -- romney: but i -- right, right. >> moderator: let's just stay on taxes for a moment. romney: virtually everything he said about hi many tax plan is inaccurate. if i was asked to support it, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what identify said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. that's part one. so there's no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit...
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joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with
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. >> mitt romney is riding high. even made a surprise stop at conservative political action conference. his big night seems to be paying off. his press secretary -- much of that money is going to be spent right here in virginia. we are looking forward to the debate, it is a week from tonight. people expect plenty of fireworks. battleground virginia is getting a lot of attention. it starts tonight with mitt romney and paul ryan. mitt romney will hold a rally tomorrow. the president will be in vienna, va. tomorrow. monday, governor romney is back with a speech in lexington, virginia. our coverage of the day after nhe debate continues o wjla.com. we have local reaction. what you thought as the debate on with their instant reaction and the latest updates from the campaign trail. >> police said the together a they believehe man salted five women in springfield -- a sketch of the believed us all to five women in springfield. on last two attacks happened hidden avenue. e other three in the nearby area. we showed the sketch
. >> mitt romney is riding high. even made a surprise stop at conservative political action conference. his big night seems to be paying off. his press secretary -- much of that money is going to be spent right here in virginia. we are looking forward to the debate, it is a week from tonight. people expect plenty of fireworks. battleground virginia is getting a lot of attention. it starts tonight with mitt romney and paul ryan. mitt romney will hold a rally tomorrow. the president will be...
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mitt romney is not a progressive, you're right. who cares. >> i'd repeal dodd frank. we're not going to get rid of all regulation. you have to have regulation. >> cenk: unfortunately, it worked. we'll tell you the results and we'll tell you how it worked on the show. then did president obama take it easy on romney because fox news has been charging him with being an angry black man because of this old clip. >> what is happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where is your money? it tells me that some how people in new orleans, they don't care about it as much. >> cenk: that is a really interesting debate. we'll have that on the show. and then toby zeigler from the "west wing"." >> it's not rocket science, it's labeled, but it takes a voter extra ten seconds to find it. >> cenk: how he would have done last night. all that and the elbow of the day. well somebody elbowed themselves. you might have been able to guess it. that's all on "the young turks." guess what time is it? you know it. you guessed that too. it's go time. >> romney: i will not under any circ
mitt romney is not a progressive, you're right. who cares. >> i'd repeal dodd frank. we're not going to get rid of all regulation. you have to have regulation. >> cenk: unfortunately, it worked. we'll tell you the results and we'll tell you how it worked on the show. then did president obama take it easy on romney because fox news has been charging him with being an angry black man because of this old clip. >> what is happening down in new orleans? where is your dollar? where...
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there's enormous pressure on president obama and governor romney right now. the biggest challenges facing the country are on the line as well as the outcome of this election. even the candidates' wives are feeling the stress. we have cnn exclusives tonight. brand new interviews with michelle obama and ann romney. the first lady shared her debate anxiety with our jessica yellin. >> i get so nervous at these debates and you know, i'm like one of those parents watching their kid on the balance beam. just standing there just trying not to, you know, have any expression at all. >> ann romney revealed to our gloria borger that she helped reassure her husband during past debates. >> and almost after every answer that he gives, he'll find me in the audience to see, was that good? was that okay? >> we're going to have much more on those interviews with michelle and ann as we count down to the debate. we're mobilizing the full resources of cnn for our coverage tonight. let's bring in and erson cooper. >> it's going to be an exciting night and during the debate, we are
there's enormous pressure on president obama and governor romney right now. the biggest challenges facing the country are on the line as well as the outcome of this election. even the candidates' wives are feeling the stress. we have cnn exclusives tonight. brand new interviews with michelle obama and ann romney. the first lady shared her debate anxiety with our jessica yellin. >> i get so nervous at these debates and you know, i'm like one of those parents watching their kid on the...
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that is right. mitt romney wants to fire big bird. capella university understands businesses are trying to come back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever. when you see these problems do you take a step back, or do you want to dive right in? with a degree in business from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to go further in your career than you ever thought possible. let's get started at capella.edu >>> john mccain has been dead wrong on the fundamental issues relating to the conduct of the war. barack obama has been right. they are the facts. >> in the spotlight tonight the next debate. at this exact moment one week from now vice president joe biden and paul ryan will be hugging their families on a stage where they will have completed their debate. >> what i have been doing mostly is studying up on congressman ryans positions on the issues. and governor romney has embraced everything i can see. i don't want to say anything in the deb
that is right. mitt romney wants to fire big bird. capella university understands businesses are trying to come back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever. when you see these problems do you take a step back, or do you want to dive right in? with a degree in business from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to go further in your career than you ever thought possible. let's get started at...
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there is a noise exception right now, though as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start the economy segment 1, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about creating new jobs? you have two minutes -- each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has been determined mr. president you go first. >> obama: thank you very much for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of colorado for your hospitality. 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to a marry me. so i just want to wish sweety you happy anniversary, and let you know a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. [ laughter ] >> obama: four years ago we went through the worst financial crisis since the great depression. millions of jobs were lost the auto industry was on the brink of collapse the financial system has frozen up and because of the resilience and determination of the american people we have beg
there is a noise exception right now, though as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start the economy segment 1, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about creating new jobs? you have two minutes -- each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has been determined mr. president you go first. >> obama: thank you very much for this opportunity. i...
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(applause) >> romney's right. you guys are like the 47% who are depending on the government to deport people. is that why you like obama because obama has supported a ton of you people. -- deport add ton of you people. >> well, president barack obama has deported more immigrants than any president in the history of the united states. >> stephen: so you get a free ride to the border. (laughter) >> what i would say is immigrants contribute much more to this country than what people might think. undocumented immigrants pay taxes and do the jobs-- >> they are criminals, they're illegals. they broke the law. you know the law? they broke the law. if you break the law you're a criminal, jorge. >> at the same time there are millions of americans who benefit from their work and thousands of american companies who hire them. and we don't call them illegal so we have to talk about co-responsibility. they are here because we benefit from the work. (applause) >> stephen: i don't have a comeback for that so they'll edit it out
(applause) >> romney's right. you guys are like the 47% who are depending on the government to deport people. is that why you like obama because obama has supported a ton of you people. -- deport add ton of you people. >> well, president barack obama has deported more immigrants than any president in the history of the united states. >> stephen: so you get a free ride to the border. (laughter) >> what i would say is immigrants contribute much more to this country than...
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that is the new focus on the right. romney was making that point. >> forgive me. that is it a complete misinterpretation. i sat there with all due respect. >> you do not have all due respect for me. >> go ahead. >> hospitality. >> you are eating up time here. ok, it is my turn to talk now. >> there is a distinction -- you overlook the distinction. tax rates and tax revenue. when romney is saying -- how plane can i make it? we are going to cut rates. we are not going to reduce the amount of revenue. exactly as what happened in 1986 with the reagan tax reform. you cut the rates, you eliminate deductions, and you end up with the same amount of revenue. it is what was recommended in the commission that obama had appointed. >> there is study after study after study that says even if he succeeded in doing that, it is not enough to achieve the targets we're talking about. what is interesting is, you never ar romney say, no new taxes. you do not hear him say that. >> colby? >> he proposes a 20% across-the- board tax cuts. >> marginal tax rate. >> alternative minimum tax.
that is the new focus on the right. romney was making that point. >> forgive me. that is it a complete misinterpretation. i sat there with all due respect. >> you do not have all due respect for me. >> go ahead. >> hospitality. >> you are eating up time here. ok, it is my turn to talk now. >> there is a distinction -- you overlook the distinction. tax rates and tax revenue. when romney is saying -- how plane can i make it? we are going to cut rates. we are...
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there's enormous pressure on president obama and governor romney right now. we're asking debate watchers, those who watched the debate to the history books. tonight, just like we will after every upcoming debate, we're breaking it down, issue by issue. this means more talk from the candidate on a particular topic. looking at some of the totals, we'll show you what's going on. but, first, here are some of the highlights from the first presidential debate. >> what things would i cut from spending? first of all, i will eliminate all programs by this test. if they don't pass it. is the program so critical, it's worth boring money from china to pay for it? obama care is on my list. i apologize mr. president. jim, i'm sorry, i had stop the subsidy to pbs. i love big bird, like you too. but i won't keep on spending money to borrow money from china to pay for. i'll take programs that are currently good programs but could be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to state. and make government more efficient, cut back the number of employees, combine age
there's enormous pressure on president obama and governor romney right now. we're asking debate watchers, those who watched the debate to the history books. tonight, just like we will after every upcoming debate, we're breaking it down, issue by issue. this means more talk from the candidate on a particular topic. looking at some of the totals, we'll show you what's going on. but, first, here are some of the highlights from the first presidential debate. >> what things would i cut from...
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he's ridiculing mitt romney right now. let's listen in. >> don't want what he's been selling over the last year. governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two-step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. so here's the truth. governor romney cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round of budget busting tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research or technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insurance companies. we can't afford to double down on the same topdown economic policies that got us into this mess. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan for our economy. it's not a plan to strengthened middle class. it is not change. it is a relapse. and we're not going to do it. we have been there. we have tried th
he's ridiculing mitt romney right now. let's listen in. >> don't want what he's been selling over the last year. governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two-step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. so here's the truth. governor romney cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round...
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romney is up right. >> here barack obama is dropping his focus. he's beginning to drop away from mitt romney. and here he comes down to his paper. >> reporter: she says president obama dropped his posture often, especially late in the debate. that was a signal to many viewers that romney got the better of him. brian todd, cnn, washington. >>> a sharp drop in the jobless rate. what does it mean for president obama and the economy? that's the power of human resources. the society... for human resource management and its members know... how to harness that power, because we help develop it. from the next economy, to the next generation, we help get... the most out of business, by getting the best out of people. shrm. leading people, leading organizations. >>> it's not an october surprise, but certainly some welcome news for the obama white house, waging what has been an uphill battle against unemployment. this week the labor department reported the jobless rate fell sharply in september to 7.8%. that's the same level it was when president obama took
romney is up right. >> here barack obama is dropping his focus. he's beginning to drop away from mitt romney. and here he comes down to his paper. >> reporter: she says president obama dropped his posture often, especially late in the debate. that was a signal to many viewers that romney got the better of him. brian todd, cnn, washington. >>> a sharp drop in the jobless rate. what does it mean for president obama and the economy? that's the power of human resources. the...
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whether it's the neocons or the religious right, who is the the real romney. he was so effervescent and exciting and winning on his personality. is this the real guy unleashed from these commitments. >> i don't want to be unkind but think it was the real romney, in the sense of his political career, going back to massachusetts and earlier, mitt romney has been able to change his position, renounce his position and do whatever he feels is necessary to meet the next group of voters right in front of him. look what he did about 47%. he said the other night in fox news to shawn habity, i didn't mean any of that or -- sean hannity, i didn't see any of that. and hurt him instead of saying let me explain what i meant to say, i said it ineloquently, but i think people are gaming the system -- i didn't mean any of that. chris: below what he is offering that day, that week, what's there? what's the hard-core of mitt romney? >> first of all, we know he's a very competitive guy and the best moments he's had the past year have all been in debates. he's been a very effectiv
whether it's the neocons or the religious right, who is the the real romney. he was so effervescent and exciting and winning on his personality. is this the real guy unleashed from these commitments. >> i don't want to be unkind but think it was the real romney, in the sense of his political career, going back to massachusetts and earlier, mitt romney has been able to change his position, renounce his position and do whatever he feels is necessary to meet the next group of voters right in...
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the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so by labor day you're ready to confront the enemy at the center. he didn't do it like that. he stayed right all the way through the summer and maybe masterfully wednesday decided to go with i'm for the 100%. i'm for pre-existing condition coverage, for all this education, all this good stuff. >> i think part of that -- you're right in your analysis, that's exactly what happens politically. i think for the romney campaign they took that strategy, elongated it because they had some shoring up to do with their base. >> can he pull it off? can you make that kind of switcheroo in september? >> i t
the right wing romney from the primary fight is no more. this week the etch-a-sketch came alive. the former governor championed centrist principles and got away with it. he keeps this act up. michael steele is a former chair of the rnc as well as an msnbc political analyst and cynthia tucker is a syndicated columnist. thank you. michael, there's on old tradition in politics, you go to your fringe or hard left or hard right to win the primaries and caucuses, and then you start to move slowly so...
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. >>> all right. so how did the candidates do? well, post debate instant polls reveal that most voters believe mitt romney did better than president obama. a cnn orc poll shows that 67% of registered voters who watched the debate chose mr. romney as the winner while 25% chose mr. obama. a cbs snap poll showed that 45% identified mitt romney while 22% said barack obama won and 32% called it a tie. the candidates tangled over taxes and figures of cuts or increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth behind the rhetoric of both candidates. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> reporter: romney has proposed making the bush tax cuts permanent for all tax levels and then cutting all rates an additional 20%. he would repeal the alternative minimum tax and repeal the estate tax. they said mitt romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over ten years. he said his plan would be paid for but to pay for those
. >>> all right. so how did the candidates do? well, post debate instant polls reveal that most voters believe mitt romney did better than president obama. a cnn orc poll shows that 67% of registered voters who watched the debate chose mr. romney as the winner while 25% chose mr. obama. a cbs snap poll showed that 45% identified mitt romney while 22% said barack obama won and 32% called it a tie. the candidates tangled over taxes and figures of cuts or increases. andrea mitchell looked...
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right to join it with president obama. i think president obama's policies and his political vision are fundamentally that of french democrats, rather like francois hollande. i think mitt romney's are a traditional conservative republican. i thought during the debate he sounded actually, he echoed themes that you would associate with dwight eisenhower. so i think this is a great debate to be joined politically. i think that romney is raising real risk but there are people on the left who would like to see a stronger centralized government, not just as a safety net but all of these elements and you can see what the problems are. as margaret thatcher once said, the problem with socialism that sooner or later you run out of other people's money. melissa: right. absolutely. professor, thanks for coming on. have a great weekend. >> you too. melissa: so here's the question of the day, will president obama get a bump in the polls next week because of today's jobs report? we want to hear what you think. like us on facebook at faceb
right to join it with president obama. i think president obama's policies and his political vision are fundamentally that of french democrats, rather like francois hollande. i think mitt romney's are a traditional conservative republican. i thought during the debate he sounded actually, he echoed themes that you would associate with dwight eisenhower. so i think this is a great debate to be joined politically. i think that romney is raising real risk but there are people on the left who would...
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so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get to the issue that rich people need the money because they create the jobs. i want to bring in ed and al and steve and chris back into this discussion. i want to bring back chris matthews in denver in terms of hearing the republican spin on this. seeing what seems to be real democratic frustration on this. we're hearing already in terms of the different responses. the romney side is proclaiming victory. the obama campaign does not seem to be doing that. chris? >> when you read "the new york times" tomorrow, you'll see a side bar, strong night for romney. i think it's an objective -- it may be theater, but this is
so rich people pay less under romney and more under obama. that is the ultimate answer, right? >> the ultimate answer is if either one get their proposals through. and one of the way our economy grows is if rich people have more money, they hire more people. you should not raise taxes when the economy is in trouble. our economy is in more trouble today. the growth rate last week was a pathetic at 1. 2%. >> very much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we finally get...
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on wednesday night and that's what he's going to give us. >> this is the ballgame for mitt romney right any because if he doesn't do well at the debate it will be very hard for him to get back in it. >> meanwhile president obama is reportedly hold up in this nevada resort preparing to confront romney. >> what the president will have to do early on is to jump start this the way you would do a jump ball and make sure that mitt romney never gets the ball back. >> if the election were held today, an associated press poll shows mr. obama well within reach of the 270 electoral votes needed for a win with ohio and iowa now among the states he would carry. romney would need to quickly gain the upper hand in nearly all of the nine states where he and the president are competing the hardest. >>> you can see the first debate between mitt romney and president obama right here on abc7. abc news, your voice, your vote. live debate coverage begins at 6:00 p.m. this wednesday. the u.s. supreme court will begin their new term tomorrow and the justices may weigh in on proposition 8. just as clarence thom
on wednesday night and that's what he's going to give us. >> this is the ballgame for mitt romney right any because if he doesn't do well at the debate it will be very hard for him to get back in it. >> meanwhile president obama is reportedly hold up in this nevada resort preparing to confront romney. >> what the president will have to do early on is to jump start this the way you would do a jump ball and make sure that mitt romney never gets the ball back. >> if the...
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it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a viole attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he had an additional six months tacked on to the sentence. >>> the trend of criminal behavior continues in florida. a man with a machete came into the police station. officers used a taser and tackled him to the ground. >>> on a much lighter note, a washington redskins fanatic transformed his yard into this scene. he used his skills to decorate his lawn with the logo and colors. he spends hundreds of dollars on mulch each year to freshen up the display. that is commitment. for more, we turn to bill karins. was there a refrigerator filled with beer the
it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a viole attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he had...
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they think obama has a bedder idea than romney right now, and they like obama more than they like romney. it's about an 8% difference. >> that is something we will watch tonight, and you saw the governor's optimistic take there for the president. governor romney needs to change that. >> is it true that those who are still undecided normally break for the challenger because they don't know the challenger as well as opposed to the incumbent. everybody knows the president of the united states. the undecided at this late moment might break for romney? >> yes, that is a possibility. we might have the first election since just a few elections ago that the popular vote goes to the person that loses. these targeted battleground states looks like obama will carry the day, but he may not win the popular vote. >> that would be this election you're talking about. >> this one, 48-48. >> you know how that one turned out. we had to wait awhile. >> let us hope the supreme court does not decide this election. >> guys, thanks very much. it's not just the words that often matter on debate night, body langu
they think obama has a bedder idea than romney right now, and they like obama more than they like romney. it's about an 8% difference. >> that is something we will watch tonight, and you saw the governor's optimistic take there for the president. governor romney needs to change that. >> is it true that those who are still undecided normally break for the challenger because they don't know the challenger as well as opposed to the incumbent. everybody knows the president of the united...
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hilary's right. he was shocked at all this new romney stuff. he still could have listened. he still could have reacted to some of what mitt romney said. >> he said something about needs to get a better accountant. >> he absolutely said your math doesn't add up. you're going to cut taxes by 20%. he said, no, i'm not going to cut any taxes but i'm going to cut taxes for the people who pay them by 20% and then i'm going to find them money through these loopholes. which loopholes? there's a thousand tax credits and loopholes. he didn't name one. not one. >> no, but one thing we know is -- >> what he proposed was a general cap on the number of loopholes you can claim, which is actually a totally reasonable way to do tax reform. it gets you out of the problem of sort of litigating each and every loop. >> arguing about substance. why? >> here is something that the president clearly did which was he said, all right, mitt romney's going to go out and do this. in many ways mitt romney just made the next three weeks for himself miserable. >> oh, sure. totally. he's going to be sitting
hilary's right. he was shocked at all this new romney stuff. he still could have listened. he still could have reacted to some of what mitt romney said. >> he said something about needs to get a better accountant. >> he absolutely said your math doesn't add up. you're going to cut taxes by 20%. he said, no, i'm not going to cut any taxes but i'm going to cut taxes for the people who pay them by 20% and then i'm going to find them money through these loopholes. which loopholes?...
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on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class will be harmed and it's going to marme our economy. >> one last question for you and it is a little bit on the style of this and i realize that you're a policy guy as much as you are a candidate guy but i do have to ask you to be candid on the. was there a deliberate strategy on your part to tell the president to not attack mitt romney? he never talked directly to mitt romney and told him that he was being wrong about things. the one time he got closest to that when he said -- your strategy right now is to say "never mind" about your previous tack plan. that's as close as they got to ta
on education, on the right way to fix the deficit. romney's approach is the wrong approach. taxes, on deficit, on wall street reform and medicare on mk. and we think that voters are taking this election very seriously. taking the middle class of the country and i do think the president made very clear that we're rebouning from a recession. we're making progress. but there's no progress to be made and if we go back to trickle down economics which is all romney's offering, that the middle class...
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i think you're right, certainly i think that plitt romney will be very claesed with the night. you look at the twitter verse, some democrats think the president seemed a little listless here. certainly when you think about it, mitt romney needed to come in here and make an impression. we'll see in the days ahead whether he did. but certainly i can assure you in the spin room right now, republicans are making the case that he did, in fact, make that impression. anderson. >> no doubt about that. reaction already pouring in. and we'll be taking the temperature of a lot of different groups over the next hour and a half. we have our analyst and reporters and cnn contributors. a quick reading right now. john king, david gergen. >> look at e-mails, conversations during the debate. twitterverse, republicans very happy, including the top team around mitt romney. liberals complaining about the president's performance. without a doubt, participating in republican primary debates helped mitt romney, the president was rusty. hasn't done this in four years. that's not an excuse as james said
i think you're right, certainly i think that plitt romney will be very claesed with the night. you look at the twitter verse, some democrats think the president seemed a little listless here. certainly when you think about it, mitt romney needed to come in here and make an impression. we'll see in the days ahead whether he did. but certainly i can assure you in the spin room right now, republicans are making the case that he did, in fact, make that impression. anderson. >> no doubt about...